Some general musings on all this...

Fae/Elves/Dragons/Vampires/whatever may be seen as purely fictional to some people. However, I do not think they are purely fictional.

I believe there are other "planes" of existence (e.g., the astral plane, the "Veil", multiple times can exist at once, different theories like that). I think that some of these beings exist on those planes. Someone brought up the point that many cultures over many time periods have similar references to "other" beings, and I think this ties into that...basically, if "4 out of 5 dentists agree" then there might be something to it...

The Na'vi are a fictional race created by one author in a current movie.

So, I have to say that I was in fact insulted when you basically said, "Na'vi are fictional, but so are all of your Kin types."

However, I think there may be some similar "Other" being that resembles the Na'vi, and perhaps this is what you are feeling a kinship with.

I saw "Avatar" and I loved it. There are parts of the movie that strike a chord with my "Otherness" as well. However, I do not feel akin to the Na'vi per se. There are some situations in the movie that seem like similar events in my Otherkin past life, and seeing them did affect me strongly.

So, it makes sense to me that seeing on the screen a being that so closely resembles your Kin type would cause very strong feelings.

Carl Jung and Joseph Campbell both talked about a "collective unconscious" and that there are archetypes and symbols buried deep within everyone's subconscious. Sort of like a collective memory of all previous generations (you might want to read more on both Jung and Campbell, as my description here pretty much sucks). It is possible that James Cameron was tapping into some archetype memory when he created the Na'vi.

The language was created for the movie. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Na'vi_language

To be fair, Tolkien created the languages in the "Lord of the Rings" books. I have heard of Otherkin Elves who have an affinity for speaking these languages, even though these languages are not likely to be exactly what their real Elven languages are. Apparently, their reasoning is that it is better to speak an invented/pidgin/bastardized form of the Elven language than not to speak Elven at all.

So, speaking the Na'vi language is certainly one's prerogative, but I think arguing over the grammar doesn't serve much purpose, unless you want to take it up with the guy who actually invented the language.

I have noticed, Tirea Na'vi, 1) that you do seem to strongly feel that you are one of a Na'vi-like race, and if you feel that strongly, I don't think you should ignore it; 2) that you have asked questions on other parts of this site, so it seems that you are willing to entertain the notion that maybe you are similar to the Na'vi, but not actually a Na'vi from the movie; 3) you seem to be reasonably patient, logical, and non-belligerent.

I am sorry that your "welcome" up to this point has been highly controversial, heated, interrogative, and sometimes accusatory. I am sure that by now you can appreciate the reasons for this.

I hope you are able to find out more about yourself, and I hope we are able to help you.

--f

I noticed that too, but in all honesty, if we try and draw some imaginary line between Na'vi and Pokémon, we are entering the realms of the absurd. If one type of fictionkin is okay, they all have to be okay.



I'm sorry, but that's a pretty silly and rathe runreasonable thing to feel insulted about. You cannot expect people to share your beliefs, and not express their own when they happen to differ. It wasn't an attack, merely a statement. Heck, I think all your kintypes are fictional too. But that's just my opinion.

The reason I was insulted is that it came off as "You all know you are fictional too, so come off it."

It did not allow for the fact that maybe we do not think we are fictional.

*Random*

You will bow down before Zoltan. Zoltan is your God. You will give Zoltan your soul. Else I shall sacrifice you in HIS name!

*random*

Tirea Na'vi

I have to say that going so far as to associate yourself with pokemon and/or a giant blue smurf would make you either a Troll or completely fluffy. I would like to point out that if you are indeed ignorant and fluffy, that's perfectly fine with me. I know I'm crazy for my beliefs and openly a troll to those people who refuse to admit that believing in Otherkin makes them legitimately crazy. (Any other group for that matter, whether Therian or Vampire or Scientologist)

Being bluntly honest, I've already made my decision about you. I'd welcome you as a friend in either case. If you honestly believe your a newly created fictional species, whether assimilating said parts or not, you do have issues. Hell, I have issues for what I believe. I'm not saying I'm better than you, I'm just not seeing that point to where you recognize the insanity in all this. If you had, I wouldn't have any problem, knowing you already acknowledge that possibility and are exploring the possibilities with a firm mental foundation.

In any case, you go do what you want, but I'm still going to tell you the downfall and logical applications to real life. You can either deal with it or complain enough to have me banned, it doesn't matter which. In the end thousands more like me will come along, see what you wrote, and indeed make the same comments.

ive now stated this is fluff since like 2 pages back.... im just getting some epic lulz from it at this point

Missed my point completely.

My point was that, due to the overwhelming amount of groaning about Twilight (and Twilight fans) on this forum, for the simple reason that some children would barge onto vampire forums and declare themselves sparkly, what made you so certain that someone claiming a spiritual or mental connection with Avatar would be received without so much as a raised eyebrow?
And why this site in particular? Otherkin.com is a pretty questioning-heavy site as far as spirituality forums go. It's not exactly a huge secret, and it's not exactly something that could not have been discovered with just a few minutes of lurking around. Go through the First Retreat section and look at all the threaded discussions that were started up by people with white names. Then go to the "Banned Users" topic under "Site Announcements" and browse through that.

Now that I'm really thinking back on this, something doesn't quite add up here. Let's review the data:

On the one hand:
1. You were very careful to state that you felt a mere "connection" with Na'vi rather than being the reincarnation of one.
2. You stated that you know they were fictional.
3. You've stated a very interesting point that, I admit, did make me step back and think it all out for a long while before getting back to this discussion.
4. Your writing is utterly immaculate.
5. When I suddenly asked you a really tough question that would undoubtedly have damaged your image (asking how much time you spent deciding that you were suddenly more copyright-kin than elf), you cunningly dodged the question by taking the opportunity to scold me for being harsh.

All of these points indicate a high level of intelligence on your part, and a very dextrous talent at debating.

And yet:
1. You claim that you had no foreknowledge that you would be questioned on Otherkin.com, despite being more than able to lurk beforehand.
2. You took very little time to make what I proposed was your main reason for truly coming to Otherkin.com: to assert that the other kin-types were just as fictional.
3. You twisted my point completely about "Just look at the fuss that Twilight caused." and just casually sprinted right past my obvious bit of support regarding WHY Stephanie Meyer's books did what they did.

These points show, in contrast, that you're rather new at talking on forums and not quite capable of piecing things together. And I'm not saying that as an insult--I'm just stating what this sounds like to me personally.

Well, unfortunately, these two personality traits do not mix together too well, and stating suddenly that you might be Vaporeon doesn't help the charade.

This all brings me back to my original suspicion. You are, indeed, a very clever Internet troll who has come to OK.com to irritate someone with this point that you expound upon so eagerly:

You're pretending to be a fictionkin as an effort to damage the otherkin image. Well, I'd like to congratulate you, because I've never seen quite such an effective troll since PurXtasy. Very, VERY brilliant work. ;3 And technically, I'm not attacking you for your beliefs, because they're not truly your beliefs at all. The social traits you've displayed so far, again, point away from that being the case. Even if you were sincere, you still really ought to have known better.
Sadly though, I have to inform you that it's all for nothing in the end. The otherkin image CAN'T be damaged any further, since it's already common knowledge that we're a rather kooky bunch. Just look at that book I reviewed recently.

As a final note, on the perhaps 3% or 4% chance that you might actually have been telling the truth about your feelings, don't take reactions here too hard. Actually I think starting a fictionkin forum was probably the best move you've made. If you attract anyone there, I hope they're happy and it all works out.

i love you so much thirdeye, best fluff hunter EVER, i wanna grow up to be like you some day

You'd make a good lawyer, ThirdEye.