ok. now that I'm on my computer and not my phone, I can actually type something out.

what I wanted to say earlier was that you probably aren't Na'vi but you could be something that may look like those creatures.
maybe you have similar morals.
maybe you really want to be Na'vi.
maybe you're simply something totally different!

just keep in mind that if you look at elves (because you said you'd thought you were one) there are many different types.
Fae people, elves, and 'kin in general are very diverse.
perhaps your place is there and not with the Na'vi.

Check out those sections on the forum.
I think you'll be interested in what there is to learn.
Even still, these types of things come and go among many people. This is why we ask so many questions. IT takes a while to be so sure of yourself. I still am not always sure of me being a vampire. For a while I thought I was a wolf therian until I discovered that I simply identify closely with wolves and that the wolf is my totem.
Keep looking and don't narrow down on one thing so fast.

Just a few thoughts!

I apologize for my aggression if you really are sincere, but if you'd lurked the site before joining you'd have easily seen it coming. o.o

I'd love to see your history though.

Did I see an argument about how vampires and elves are fantasy while the...Navi...or whatever you call them from the avatar film are..not?

I umm...well.

...Welcome to the..forum?
Or maybe I should say...thread..I umm..not sure..

I didn't say that elves and vampires are fantasy/fiction while Na'vi are not. (:

It's entirely possible that he/she is misguided. You said you felt elven before you saw the film, so you were thinking of this for at least a little while before then, yes?

One possibility is Fae. I see similarities between Elves and Fae, and hey, some Fae have tails.

Meh, don't really know why I'm defending you. But you don't seem like a troll or someone here to cause trouble, seeing as how you haven't gotten riled up. Maybe stick around and think things over?

And oh, welcome

I'm not against the idea of otakukin and fictionkin entirely, though I am usually a bit questioning, so forgive me if I sound like I'm prying.

Welcome to the forum! I hope you like it here!

I'm very interested in your conclusion, what I take issue with is the time in which you've come to this, rather momentous, conclusion. Now I may be a bit behind (as Britain usually has to wait a while before films will come over from America) but Avatar seems like a fairly recent film, so it doesn't seem to me like you have had enough time to fully consider and meditate upon the belief that you are Na'vi.

Quite alot of people on this forum will spend a fair amount of time considering their otherkinity, what they are, who they are, and what it ultimately means for them; I've known some people take over a year... So for me to see someone decide upon being a Na'vi so quickly is just a little bit troublesome.

Beyond that you have to consider the implications that come with identifying with a fictional race. You say you've read everything you can find on the Na'vi, and that is a major problem; while research can be useful, so can self contemplation on the race, so having too much of it can be troublesome, as you're basing yourself on others ideas...which can be inaccurate. After all, if we go with the spiritual option (that the Na'vi do actually exist in some for somewhere and that the creators of it on this world somehow channelled the race into a coherent form) then the race as we know them is open to a lot of flaws. Here are some I can think of-

-The full biology of the Na'vi may have been manipulated so that they were more appealing aesthetically to the audience (as has actually been reported by the creators); What do the Na'vi really look like?

-The language of the Na'vi was created by a professor (or something of the like if I read correctly) and was made with the purpose of allowing the actors to be able to pronounce it without it sounding too distinct to the human ear; What language do the Na'vi really use?

- As I've said concerning my opinions of Avatar, the Na'vi are pretty much a huge stereotype of "The Noble Savage": that noble 'primitive' that we all wish exists but that could never truly exist to the same extent that we wish them to. The film is targeting human issues of colonisation and of the treatment of 'primitive' and aboriginal races in earlier centuries. With such a clear link to entirely human issues and entirely human races it seems hard for me to believe that we could comprehend what the Na'vi would truly be like- outside of the barriers of human rhetoric, ideologies and preconceptions; What were the Na'vi actually like?

-Loh has already, rightly, mentioned biology. Considering the Na'vi apperance was changed drastically from the original designs in order to allow for a more human appeal and Native American undertone it’s probably rather impossible for their anatomy to exist in the exact way of the film; What was the Na'vi's biology actually like?

I could go on to things such as social structure, tribe interaction etc. etc. but I think that too much food for though at one time may be a bad thing. ^_~

It may have seemed to you like Loh was nit-picking when they asked you about specifics and the biology of the Na’vi but what they were doing is to make you think about the Na’vi, really think about them. If you are a spiritual Na’vi then you have to appreciate the amount of human influence that has gone into manipulating the original Na’vi form into something that could be considered for a cinema audience, and a wider audience in general; therefore you can’t rely on the Na’vi race in the film, or the information of them online, or the film reviews, as they will all be massively flawed by the human influence.

If, however, you are claiming that the Na’vi came into existence because of the conception of the film and the collective spiritual and emotional response that occurred then I would also look out. Considering I’ve already pointed some major flaws in the race creation, and I’m not a die-hard fan at all, you should contemplate the fragility, indecision and creation of your race; I worry it would work against your spiritual and mental well-being rather than towards.

If you believe that you are the Na’vi through a mental connection, mental link or archetypal similarity then I can also see some problems. A lot of the problems above still stand, but you also have the problem that by relating to the Na’vi you are essentially relating to the human desire to look back to a more ‘savage’ yet more ‘noble’ form, a form connected to nature and working towards peace and balance; these are entirely human ideals and appeal to an entirely human want; the Na’vi are essentially that native stereotype recreated with a few animalistic features. I see a problem in that, though it doesn’t surprise me that many people can relate to that ideal (heck even I related with and felt sorry for the Na’vi) it does worry me that one can take such a normal human desire, such a normal human stereotype, and use it to justify identifying as somehow non-human.... honestly the idea makes my head hurt just a little bit XP

Essentially what I’m trying to say is, if you truly do believe yourself to be Na’vi, then I think that you have a lot of contemplation to do. Firstly on how you believe you have come to be a Na’vi-kin, then the implications of that; the possible problems created by the fact that the Na’vi are a relatively new, and heavily distorted, race within human comprehension. From there you need to work out those problems, resolve them, figure out the way you feel and justify how you can feel this and whether or not it takes into consideration the issues of the Na’vi race as portrayed by us.

Personally I think that you really do need to consider these things before doing things such conjuring a name up (which may not even be correct, either because it is too heavily based on the language of the Na’vi created by us or because it doesn’t take into consideration the extreme differences of the true Na’vi language, which are inevitable).

Sorry that this has been a rather long post, like I said initially I am not opposed to fiction-kin, but I do feel that some considerations may have slipped your mind, or perhaps not even occurred; and it’s always nice to have an outsider’s view.

Once again, a very warm welcome to the forum.

no offence but thats a made up creature and it seems like your a role player and role plares should not roleplay so give it up and just join us as human we wont reject you



i cut this short and dragonslorefurry ya gotta work on the ranting thing


i doubt your a navi and im sorry for my other post where i said your probably role playing
but phantom limbs and other things like that dont deduct things hell you could be some sort of chimera with no wings or could be a typ of dragon
so just wait until you awaken freind

Edit: Merge post. (Lopting)

If what I say is for the purpose of helping someone, and not for the purpose of getting an annoyance off my chest, then it's hardly a rant.

Thank you for the constructive, helpful, and polite replies. (: I aim to take the advice on board - currently I think I should consider or do some research into Fae. I was indeed thinking about this for a while before I saw the film - for a few years, in fact, I believed I was an elf.

I'm not here to cause trouble, and I would like to stick around. Dragonslore, you raise some very valid points, clearly this requires a lot of consideration on my part. With regards to the implications of identifying with a fictional race, dragons and the like are also fictional. (:

For the record, I identify also with the Na'vi ideaology. I don't think that I match the "noble savage" archetype, myself, or that I, at this stage, have their wisdom and grace - these are the flaws of my human personality.

Rionquosue, I'm more inclined to listen to people who are established members with a number of posts to their name - I'm also more inclined to listen to people who are polite and who type correctly (minus spelling errors), and who edit their most recent post instead of making three in a row. Thank you for re-posting Dragonslore's post, I did see it. (:

I do dabble in a bit of roleplay here and there, but in the case of my Na'vi identity I am not roleplaying. Why should roleplayers not roleplay, may I ask? At any rate, dragons and chimaera are made-up creatures, too, appearing only in stories. (:

"Don't deduct things"? What do you mean by that? Your phrase doesn't make sense. (: I understand that phantom limbs don't necessarily equate to anything - I sometimes feel the presence of phantom wings and antlers but I don't believe these to be anything other than my imagination. I don't believe these to mean anything about my 'kin identity - I am not a gryphon or a dragon, nor a deer therian. The tail (long, slim, and muscular - not a furry brush, for example) feels different.

I have researched into dragons before, but I don't believe I am one. Chimaera is something I have never looked into, however.

Dragonslore, thank you once again. (:

You're welcome.
I'm glad you've read what I typed and found it productive.

Drangonslore is good at that! ^_^

The problem with identifying with a movie (or comic or book or so on) kintype is that movie characters are designed so that we, as human beings, have an easy time associating and identifying with them.

A good example of this is the sociopathic serial killer called Dexter Morgan. It is easy for us to like him and identify with him because he's the protagonist of his story. But identifying with him doesn't make us sociopaths nor serial killers by default.
Just as identifying with the Na'vi doesn't necessarily make you one.

They are supposed to be easy to identify with.

Time to play Devil's Advocate...

The trouble I am having with this debate is that I believe that elves, fae, vampires, etc. are just as fictional as the Na'vi. Someone made them up one day... and purely by virtue of that day having been long ago, many people believe in them without subjecting their beliefs to the rigours that scientific method would dictate.

Now, I know most people on this forum aren't like that but... any of you who do think like me, that Otherkin feelings are mental/psychological/associative, rather than a genuine spiritual condition, can surely have no objection to a Na'vi kin. Because, in the end, if you feel ore like the Na'vi than you do like a human, how is that any different from feeling more like an elf? (Particularly considering I think them just as fictional as one another).

Where I do start to take issue is with the concept of reincarnation. Someone made the Na'vi up, they don't exist anywhere, so you cannot be a Na'vi reincarnated as human. Arguably, I should say this to all Otherkin who believe they had past lives as mythical creatures (particularly those whose reference Tolkein etc. when referring to their beliefs. HE WAS A WRITER, NOT A PROPHET!)...but unfortunately, that is an accepted belief, whereas yours is not. It's a bias within the system, I'm afraid; and to be expected, in all honesty.

So I'd just like to say that, in principle, I have nothing against your beliefs and, especially considering your presentation, do not think there is any real issue here. (Have we ever had a serious fictionkin on here? And I don't mean freaky whale guy...)

However, the film is less than a month old, which is certainly longer than it takes to be sure about being Otherkin, so definitely take mroe time about things, irrespective of your final conclusion, as DLF excellently pointed out hereL



And actually, Avatar was released, in the London area only, a day before than in the US, but the rest of Britain got it a few days later. I think it was something like the 17th of December; around there.

And, just because I have to say it:

I predicted this

How did you predict this?

She said in the Avatar thread that we'd be getting Na'vi kin soon.