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Thanatos
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 Re: The Keys
Lhene wrote: Thanatos wrote: Yes I have, and I don't think there is a way to explain what I draw or write, it's like channeling from my soul to the paper... I feel much the same way about my artistic creations - only I doubt they have any connection to a past life. Who's to say that they aren't obscure metaphors for my present life, or my thoughts on a subject, or a hundred other things that have to do with me? There are too many factors to attribute art to one unlikely thing. Yes, but recurring patterns and texts about the future, doomsday and alot of other things are perfectly normal to come out of your brain without thinking at all on what you're doing... noumenon wrote: Lhene wrote: Thanatos wrote: Yes I have, and I don't think there is a way to explain what I draw or write, it's like channeling from my soul to the paper... I feel much the same way about my artistic creations - only I doubt they have any connection to a past life. Who's to say that they aren't obscure metaphors for my present life, or my thoughts on a subject, or a hundred other things that have to do with me? There are too many factors to attribute art to one unlikely thing. Another artist here, hah. Sometimes I come up with some pretty weird shit, I won't lie. But I also doubt it has much/anything to do with a past life/lives. Now, I do use art as a means to draw myself in some awesome unhuman glory. But again, that's a conscious effort on my part. I'm no artist by any means.. I can't draw for two shits and I still draw these strange glyphs and patterns. I feel that they are connected to my past life as a Key... I highly doubt thought that anyone else has any empirical data about their past lives as non-humans, if there are any others here.
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crooked_smile
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before i say anything else, i'd like to specify that my position on this is 100% neutral and i do not mean to be...well, mean to anyone. that being said...
Ghotay, i recall you saying somewhere that you weren't sure you were otherkin. am i wrong in believing you thus have no past life memories(edit: of being otherkin)? i appologise if i am being incorrect and/or ambiguous.
secondly, since we're on the subject of past life memories, who in all the world is entitled to dish out rules regarding how much detail a past life memory should have?
thirdly, i'm not saying we should just believe anything that comes to our heads, or to the heads of others, skepticism is a very good thing to have, especially for otherkin, for obvious reasons, but there is a fine line separating skepticism from rude finger-pointing. that's just my two cents.
once again, i must specify that my reply wasn't, isn't and never will be meant to offend anyone.
thanatos, if you want to, you can pm me. and that goes for everyone, i'm known as a real friendly person ^.^
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Ghotay
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crooked_smile wrote: Ghotay, i recall you saying somewhere that you weren't sure you were otherkin. am i wrong in believing you thus have no past life memories(edit: of being otherkin)? i appologise if i am being incorrect and/or ambiguous. Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin, but I do not consider that the point. I play Devil's advocate when arguing most of the time, and I think that despite not sharing certain beliefs, my thoughts are still nevertheless valid. crooked_smile wrote: secondly, since we're on the subject of past life memories, who in all the world is entitled to dish out rules regarding how much detail a past life memory should have? Well, there aren't rules, but consider this: To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing. You can tell this pretty easily by asking a random selection of people if they have any. It's actually a very rare phenomenon. Secondly, most people who have them or think they may have them confess the to be vaue, or are unsure of their truthfulness/validity. This is, of course, purely from my experiences of dealing with people who claim to have past life memories, and may not be representational. But it seems to follow that the degree of likeliness goes down as the details of the memories increase. So while it's far from impossible for everything he is claiming to be true, it is nevertheless extremely unlikely and certainly, to me, less likely than other claims of past life memories that I have heard. It's like someone telling you that they have both Black and Inuit ancestry. I would think; wow, how unusual - but far from impossible. It's when someone claims to be a Black-Jewish-Inuit-hispanic-Irish-Arab that I start disbelieving people.
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crooked_smile
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you make an excellent point, and indeed, your thoughts are very valid, i wasn't for even a second questioning that! i was really only wondering about allowing others the benefit of the doubt even when their claims are different and somewhat strange. but now i understand  thank you ghotay 
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| Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:19 am |
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Thanatos
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"So while it's far from impossible for everything he is claiming to be true, it is nevertheless extremely unlikely and certainly, to me, less likely than other claims of past life memories that I have heard."
I'm going to go ahead and say that there's not a single day when I think about my past life that I do *not* think of it's validity. Always balancing between "Is this fiction, or has it transpired, was it reality then?"
And if a being that could make his chromosome caps and cells regenerate without growing out of control, i'm pretty sure he can select a body that is strong enough to imprint his ideals and major points in life on.
Or we could all cast a spell named "Governmental Cover Up" and switch my kin "status" to "Starkin".
You're still going to be sceptic about it, that's probably why it's called being a sceptic.
"To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing."
You obviously haven't met many people that are spiritually active.
"Black-Jewish-Inuit-hispanic-Irish-Arab"
We probably all are since the human race has little genetic diversity left.
"Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin"
Why are you, a human, here then?
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Lhene
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Thanatos wrote: And if a being that could make his chromosome caps and cells regenerate without growing out of control, i'm pretty sure he can select a body that is strong enough to imprint his ideals and major points in life on. What does the body have to do with residual memory and morals from a spirit, which has no body? Also, throwing science at a spiritual topic is usually - though not always - pointless. Thanatos wrote: "To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing."
You obviously haven't met many people that are spiritually active.
You obviously haven't met many spiritual people. Or at least not much of a variety. If you look at the largest religions in the world (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism), none of them directly believe in reincarnation or past life memories. There are quite a few on this site, specifically, who don't have past life memories. Thanato wrote: "Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin"
Why are you, a human, here then? That's an interesting thing to say. Are you implying that you don't think we're human? Because we most certainly are. A simple blood test will prove it quite conclusively. I suspect Ghotay's here because we make for interesting conversation, and she has ties to the forum. Is there any reason she shouldn't be here? She's more sensible than many I've seen. (PS: Learn to use the "Quote" button - it makes life easier.)
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noumenon
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Imma jumpin' back in on this'n. Long reply is long. Don't worry Thanatos, in my mind I already consider you a starseed, lol. Quote: And if a being that could make his chromosome caps and cells regenerate without growing out of control, i'm pretty sure he can select a body that is strong enough to imprint his ideals and major points in life on. I'm asking the same question as Lhene- According to what you said earlier, you no longer possess this epic morphing physical form- What's your connection between the spiritual aspect (Remembering past-lives) have to do with your current physiology? And how is that connected to your former physiology? See, I don't understand how having the ability of cellular reorganization/regeneration is related to how well you are able to recall the past. Is there conscious control over every cell involved in the change? I'm asking because I thought of an analogy- I can draw pretty well. But I don't think of all the biological/physical motions of doing so- I just do it (It's some mysterious mental/spiritual/creative ability). I was assuming this morphing ability was similar.. Or perhaps you are saying that if you are powerful enough to do all these godly, epic thingies, that you naturally would be able to recall such things now? Quote: Thanatos wrote: "Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin" Why are you, a human, here then? That's an interesting thing to say. Are you implying that you don't think we're human? Because we most certainly are. A simple blood test will prove it quite conclusively.[/quote] Indeed. Actually, it sounded to me like 'inferior human gtfo of mah kin forumz'- though I doubt you meant it like that. Truth is, Ghotay is a productive contributor that has made me lol at least once, which is enough for me. Also- There are several peeps on here that don't believe in souls, reincarnation, etc. Thanatos wrote: "To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing."
You obviously haven't met many people that are spiritually active.
What Lhene said. In communities like this it's pretty commonplace, but on the outside, it's pretty damn rare.
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Thanatos
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Lhene wrote: Thanatos wrote: And if a being that could make his chromosome caps and cells regenerate without growing out of control, i'm pretty sure he can select a body that is strong enough to imprint his ideals and major points in life on. What does the body have to do with residual memory and morals from a spirit, which has no body? Also, throwing science at a spiritual topic is usually - though not always - pointless. Thanatos wrote: "To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing."
You obviously haven't met many people that are spiritually active.
You obviously haven't met many spiritual people. Or at least not much of a variety. If you look at the largest religions in the world (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism), none of them directly believe in reincarnation or past life memories. There are quite a few on this site, specifically, who don't have past life memories. Thanato wrote: "Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin"
Why are you, a human, here then? That's an interesting thing to say. Are you implying that you don't think we're human? Because we most certainly are. A simple blood test will prove it quite conclusively. I suspect Ghotay's here because we make for interesting conversation, and she has ties to the forum. Is there any reason she shouldn't be here? She's more sensible than many I've seen. (PS: Learn to use the "Quote" button - it makes life easier.) My old body was powerful enough to carry his morals over to another physical body. And science is not pointless when it comes to shapeshifters. Besides, it makes somewhat more sense if it can be rationalized within limits. About the major religions you mentioned, almost none of those people are spiritually active. Just because you have a belief about some "God" out in the universe that exists beyond time and space who is omniscient and omnipotent does not make you spiritually active. Praying does not make you spiritually active. I know that we all are humans, I'm just wondering why someone who acknowledges her humanity is doing on a forum that is aimed at a spiritually non-human "audience". And I can understand why because most people just go to places like this to hang out. Sorry for my hostility Ghotay. noumenon wrote: Imma jumpin' back in on this'n. Long reply is long. Don't worry Thanatos, in my mind I already consider you a starseed, lol. Quote: And if a being that could make his chromosome caps and cells regenerate without growing out of control, i'm pretty sure he can select a body that is strong enough to imprint his ideals and major points in life on. I'm asking the same question as Lhene- According to what you said earlier, you no longer possess this epic morphing physical form- What's your connection between the spiritual aspect (Remembering past-lives) have to do with your current physiology? And how is that connected to your former physiology? See, I don't understand how having the ability of cellular reorganization/regeneration is related to how well you are able to recall the past. Is there conscious control over every cell involved in the change? I'm asking because I thought of an analogy- I can draw pretty well. But I don't think of all the biological/physical motions of doing so- I just do it (It's some mysterious mental/spiritual/creative ability). I was assuming this morphing ability was similar.. Or perhaps you are saying that if you are powerful enough to do all these godly, epic thingies, that you naturally would be able to recall such things now? Quote: Thanatos wrote: "Personally, I don't actually believe in reincarnation, or otherkin" Why are you, a human, here then? That's an interesting thing to say. Are you implying that you don't think we're human? Because we most certainly are. A simple blood test will prove it quite conclusively. Indeed. Actually, it sounded to me like 'inferior human gtfo of mah kin forumz'- though I doubt you meant it like that. Truth is, Ghotay is a productive contributor that has made me lol at least once, which is enough for me. Also- There are several peeps on here that don't believe in souls, reincarnation, etc. Thanatos wrote: "To begin with, having past life memories is a pretty rare thing."
You obviously haven't met many people that are spiritually active.
What Lhene said. In communities like this it's pretty commonplace, but on the outside, it's pretty damn rare.[/quote] My old body did alot of research on spiritual things, visited cultures, nations and other places with spirituality as a foundation for their society. It became stronger, it learned things, as an example, how to see spirits. How to pass on memories, soul migration. As for how my old form and this form of physical body, the soul acts as a "bridge" between them right now in a certain sense. I have trouble explaining it as it is 3 am here when I'm writing this. "Is there conscious control over every cell involved in the change?" Yes. There was... "Actually, it sounded to me like 'inferior human gtfo of mah kin forumz'- though I doubt you meant it like that." Hahahaha xD. Sorry Ghotay.
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noumenon
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Crap on a freakin' stick. That's a quoting massacre we got goin' on up thar. So I'm just not quoting, so there. I don't think science is pointless involving any shape-changer. In fact, it has to be essential for any shape-changing happening on a physical level. Science is like king of the castle in the land of reality. I think the only thing I'm having trouble grasping is the spirit/physical connection. Like here- Quote: My old body was powerful enough to carry his morals over to another physical body. Things like morals and personality are carried in that intangible soul-stuff, not the body itself (Or are you thinking different here?).
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Thanatos
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I'm not used to this boards quoting mechanic, so I quoted and answered in series. One board I've been to had a very simple quote mechanic where you'd press Quote and a line of code like [Quote][Quote/] would appear and you put the text in the quote and well, it quoted it XD.
"Things like morals and personality are carried in that intangible soul-stuff"
*Nods*
The only thing I can think of now is that the old body's psychology had different traits enhanced by the environment it grew up in that it wanted to pass over to my current body.
In another sense, I am defiant in nature, but my other body was an anarchist, and passed over that "trait" to my current body.
This could all be irrelevant though since it may not have to do with memory but the way the soul is "constructed"...
So I'll just say it imprinted it's memories very strongly and perhaps not traits but significant points of interest in the past physical life that I should learn from in my current.
This turned out quite philosophical... <.>
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Lhene
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The imprinting you're talking about - it happens to nearly everyone who has past life memories. I wouldn't say that your morals being carried over is anything special or unusual.
Being spiritually active is doing activities that are considered "spiritual". Which includes non-New Age belief systems. (I consider prayer to be a type of meditation, anyways.) The point still stands that past life memories are rather rare.
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Thanatos
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Well, it's not only morals, it's the way of thinking. I can't get the words for it, but it has passed on things that probably shouldn't be inside me because it belonged to the other body. (Cheesy sentence is cheesy).
You're probably right about that with the spiritual activity, but what I consider is spiritual activity is not praying to some higher power for some dubious reason. But that's my opinion. >.>
Spiritually active to me means that you're aware of your astral connection. I.E can feel/see spirits and things like that just as an example.
I agree that they are rare among most humans, but among what I consider spiritually active people, they're not rare.
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noumenon
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I'm still gonna be in sorta-disagreement about the 'body' passing things on. To me, the spirit/soul does all that crap and the physical body has no sway over that stuff. But no big deal.
For the rest of it, it seems we're just all disagreeing on terms. Spirituality, we meant an all-encompassing spirituality thing, whilst you are narrowing it down to working directly with spirits/astral realm. Knowing what you meant by 'spiritually active' I have to agree with you I guess.
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