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I thought the seelie and unseelie courts are categories that are derived from Scottish folklore and that Shakespeare based the fairies of A Midsummer Night's Dream upon it. I'm sure it's Scottish in origin.


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I may be misinformed on this subject, but to my knowledge there were no mentions of seelie of unseelie courts before midsummer's night's dream.

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Lopting wrote:
I may be misinformed on this subject, but to my knowledge there were no mentions of seelie of unseelie courts before midsummer's night's dream.

But Midsummer Night's Dream never mentions the seelie and unseelie. There are two different courts, yes, but they're not specified as "good" or "bad" or any of that. Just different factions of Faerie.

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Puck is a hobgoblin, which are creatures of the seelie court; but keyword searching online postings of the whole of A Midsummer Night's Dream yields no results for "seelie" or "unseelie". Wikipedia [an unreliable source though, obviously - and perhaps you just meant the "good" and "bad" division and the idea of there being two groups of fairies] states that they are "derived from Scottish folklore".


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That's where I first heard the terms as well. Scottish folklore. Though I can't say any faekin I know ascribe to any one of them, save in reference to a "past life." I would imagine once souls move on to new lives they may not be in the right place or time (or remember where they were -- though a friend of mine said they were Scotland, somewhere in the Moors, could just be local legend, nothing concrete) to carry on old affiliations.

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Lopting wrote:
There's another fun thing: The seelie/unseelie courts have been invented by William Shakespeare; they weren't there, before.
So since they don't appear in mythology, I think it's safe to say they shouldn't be referenced as... Ehm.. Actual.

After all; the Forgotten Realms setting has a lot to say about all sorts of species... Hardly good material to stave a spirituality on, though.


so your saying that the heirarchies of angels and demons dont exist but were made up by shakespeare... right?

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Lopting wrote:
There's another fun thing: The seelie/unseelie courts have been invented by William Shakespeare; they weren't there, before.
So since they don't appear in mythology, I think it's safe to say they shouldn't be referenced as... Ehm.. Actual.

After all; the Forgotten Realms setting has a lot to say about all sorts of species... Hardly good material to stave a spirituality on, though.


so your saying that the heirarchies of angels and demons dont exist but were made up by shakespeare... right?

wut?
No, he's saying the seelie/unseelie fae courts were. Not saying it socially-inclined fae didn't have courts at all, but those archetype ones were fake, apparently.

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noumenon wrote:
Harbinger-Shinigami wrote:
Lopting wrote:
There's another fun thing: The seelie/unseelie courts have been invented by William Shakespeare; they weren't there, before.
So since they don't appear in mythology, I think it's safe to say they shouldn't be referenced as... Ehm.. Actual.

After all; the Forgotten Realms setting has a lot to say about all sorts of species... Hardly good material to stave a spirituality on, though.


so your saying that the heirarchies of angels and demons dont exist but were made up by shakespeare... right?

wut?
No, he's saying the seelie/unseelie fae courts were. Not saying it socially-inclined fae didn't have courts at all, but those archetype ones were fake, apparently.



ok thanks for clearing up my bad, i never heard of seelie unseelie courts

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Yea, supposedly good and bad, quote-on-quote, fae courts. Not surprised if they were made up by Shakespeare, but I think smaller social fae could have their own courts. Or maybe they just throw epic fairy parties.

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i was under the impression of large fae parties lol

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so your saying that the heirarchies of angels and demons dont exist but were made up by shakespeare... right?


Well; no. But that was already explained.

I'm afraid we simply can't say who came up with the idea that angels and demons have hierarchies; it's too long in the past.
(Also meaning: No; I don't believe in those, either.)
I seem to have been wrong about Shakespeare, with the (un)seelie thing, so I can't say who came up with that one, either. :P

But, of course, I don't believe that angels, demons, faeries, dragons and stuff exist in any way other than in folklore and otherkin. Stories and human (behavioural) psychology. I don't believe in souls, reincarnation, after-lives, invisible realms and all that jazz.
So I'm posting from that point of view. It's important to know that, because I wouldn't want you to just jump to conclusions just because some person on the internet said something.

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eh to each their own i suppse....?

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Yeah; to each their own. I just think it's best to always cover all possibilities, and then make up your mind about things. As you can see, it's impossible to get all your facts straight, but yeah..

It still makes for a fascinating study.

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ya i try to take the best of all the religions lol... and work it in. idk its wird but its mine.

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thats fucked up dude.

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