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My hatred is also towards the church because of the way some of them organize themselves. Atleast Westboro Baptist Church was honest with what God says in the bible... That is commendable, albeit wrong in my opinion.
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My hatred is also towards the church because of the way some of them organize themselves. Atleast Westboro Baptist Church was honest with what God says in the bible... That is commendable, albeit wrong in my opinion.

God doesn't hate anyone.

Can you tell me one reason it's COMMENDABLE to harass the grieving relatives of people you believe are burning in hell for their sins? Give me ONE reason. It isn't honest, it's cruel. Even if he believes his own bullshit, it's cruel. There's nothing commendable about it.

(For the record, Ki is a Christian whodoesn't believe homosexuality is a sin.)

Phelps is a douche who would beat his wife up for hours in front of their kids. He is a master manipulator and 'shock reverend'. He's really just one fucked up individual who relied on incredibly contreversial methods to get the spotlight on him. He's a troll, end of story. And he did a good job infecting his children with his genes. Not all, though. I interviewed his son who went away from that and actually became atheist.

Yeah, probably should've said that I based that which I said about WBC was based on a 53 minute long interview with some lady up high in the church by Will from Satanic Comedy Show.


Hahahahaha. Right.




God never actually says that. What Leviticus says---Leviticus being attributed to Moses---who is not God but rather the law giver---is that a man lying with a man as he lies with a woman is an abomination. If you look at the surrounding text---which any sane person would do---everything within five feet of it is about idolatry. If a person is a Christian or a Jew---which I understand you are not---a person notices a reoccurring theme in scripture. Idolatry is what really pisses God off. It's not sex, or eating pig, or forgetting to wash your hands before dinner. It's idolatry. The same list is repeated in Deuteronomy without the mention of sex. The surrounding theme is still idolatry. A sane person would tend to think the overall point of the passage is 'don't go whoring yourself out to foreign gods.' Some people, probably due to a cultural predisposition toward finding homosexuality abhorrent (they were drowning queers in a bog in ancient Germany log before the first Christian ever crossed the border), have decided that the whole point of the whole book is that guys having sex with guys is wrong---which totally misses the point---and gives them a free pass on the things in their lives that they put before God to the detriment of others.

See if you focus on following the rules and focus on the rules you find easy to follow you don't have to look at the glaring hypocrisy in your own heart. Plus, it's a lot easier to explain to some uneducated hillbilly than how to give your heart to God the Father over all "vain things that charm me most" as the old hymn says. I understand you're going to think what you want and that's okay. I'm just pointing out that I didn't pull this conclusion out my ass because I found myself becoming a fag hag in college.



I would personally find that insulting to St. Peter--who was also crucified upside down. Were you aware the inverted cross is a Christian symbol? He told the authorities he didn't feel worthy to die in the same way the Lord did and they hung him upside down.





I don't buy christianity as a whole. I do buy Jesus message about peace and love. But a human shouldn't be pedestalled and viewed as something beyond our understanding. Sure, Jesus may or may not have healed sick people. I don't care about that.

Hahahahaha. Right.

I never mentioned harassment, I only said that their honesty about God hating on "teh gayz" is commendable, because in the bible it says "Thou shalt not lieth with another man like a woman" or something in that direction. For then ye shall burn in hell.

Because God really seems like a nice guy when he says "Oh, I'm sorry, but you're going to burn in a pit of fire for the rest of eternity *cough forever cough*. But I love yooou!" Yeah...

What bothers me is your comment up there. What the Bible says is, without Him, we would be going to hell, because that's what we deserve. He doesn't have to save our sorry asses. He does love us, but if your child does something bad, it has to be punished, and sin is like a huge felony. If a judge sentences you to life in prison, especially if that judge is your father, you can't reasonably say that your father hates you. Same difference.

Christianity is an interpretation of Judaism, actually. It doesn't invalidate the old testament at all but is rather seen as a fulfillment of it. I'm sure Will is someone you find amusing but comedians aren't theologians. I'm not either--but I am a practicing Christian which makes me uniquely qualified to decide what I will and will not believe about my own faith.

In the Bible God tends to act juvenile and far from omni-benevolent (Degree of which depending on what you believe).

There's a difference between life in prison and being damned for ALL OF ETERNITY.

Especially when the punishment is the same whether yer a serial rapist or some poor bloke in China that's never heard of Christianity (damned be default, don't believe in Jesus).

I'd like to add the fact that the Bible has been translated a bazillion times, and yer bound to lose/gain things throughout translation. Also why we have a ton of different versions of it.

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In the Bible God tends to act juvenile and far from omni-benevolent (Degree of which depending on what you believe).

Eh, your opinion.

There's a difference between life in prison and being damned for ALL OF ETERNITY.

Indeed there is. The Bible states that God's standard of punishment for that sort of thing is stricter than ours. However, since our souls live forever, it is kinda like life in prison.

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Especially when the punishment is the same whether yer a serial rapist or some poor bloke in China that's never heard of Christianity (damned be default, don't believe in Jesus).


I do believe that there is a passage in the Bible that states if you never got the chance to hear of Him, you will be judged simply if you did what you know is right, everybody knows basic right and wrong. I may be wrong on that one, however.

I'd like to add the fact that the Bible has been translated a bazillion times, and yer bound to lose/gain things throughout translation. Also why we have a ton of different versions of it.


Agreed. I believe personally that the Holy Spirit is inside us, it's called a conscience. I believe that is how we know what is right and wrong.

That omni-benevolent part isn't just an opinion- God clearly isn't a rosy nice-all-the-time dude in the Bible.

There's also the argument that he isn't all knowing either (How he didn't foresee people being retards before he decided to pwn everyone with the flood)

Still.. Damn. Sending your beloved creations to hell forevah with no chance of redemption is a little.. over the top? Dunno.

One of my friends believes in what we call 'Happy Jesus' where they believe when you die, Jesus is thar. And Jesus is leik 'Hi, I'm teh savior.' And as long as yer like 'OK!' you can go to heaven. If you're retarded and deny it, then you go to hell.

Hebrews 10:26-27 NIV: If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

Hmm. That be interesting. What about people with un-traditional right/wrong morals?